A Cute Salary Negotiation Tip | No BS Job Search Advice Radio

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter discusses a cute tactic he uses when negotiating salary for someone.

 

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I want to talk with you today about a little salary negotiation tip that came to me a while back. I use it from time to time when working with clients when the candidate is about to get an offer and I am negotiating salary on behalf of the client.

I found an interesting thing.  Every once in a while, instead of using an expected round number that ends in zero or $5000 like $80,000 or $85,000, I pick a different kind of number.

I might say something like, $87,500 or $112,200.

Things that are a little irregular.

Why?

Because it is not a number that they are used to hearing so it gives them reason to think, instead of instantly responding with EA or née.  In those cases, it’s May because firms always try to push down the amount. It is very rare that someone increases the amount.

He gives them reason to hesitate. And, as a result, we get into an actual conversation, rather than knee-jerk reactions.

Try.

That you are asked what salary you are looking for, try saying something like $122,200.

“How did you come up with that number?”

“Well, I did some research on the web.  I took a look at the value for what I do and found that this was the mean for the range that you are looking.”

“What was the range?”

Of course you can come back and say, “$117,000-$125,000 per year.”

When all is said and done, making them hear an unusual number causes them to deal with you differently than everyone else..

Don’t fall into the predictable pattern.  Try doing something a little bit different.

When I’m asked to submit a consultant, I’m asked what rate I charge for the person.  I don’t say, for example, “$100 per hour.”  I will say $”$101.75 per hour for this person.”  He gives me a little room to negotiate, of course.  Again, it is a different kind of valuation then just say $100.

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How Are Recommendations Viewed on LinkedIn?

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How are recommendations on Linkedin viewed by recruiters/prospective employers?

Given that there is no way to determine the authenticity or sincerity of a recommendation what trust value is assigned to the various recommendations while sourcing profiles?

HILVERSUM, NETHERLANDS - JANUARY 28, 2014: Linkedin is a social networking website for people in professional occupations. As of June 2013 more than 259 million users in more than 200 countries.

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How are recommendations on LinkedIn viewed by recruiters and prospective employers?  Given that there is no way to determine the authenticity or validity of the recommendation, what trust value is assigned to the various recommendations that appear on profiles?

Great question!

I want to start by pointing out references are really no different and how are references looked at?  They are looked at like a final verification.  References have the same issue that’s being questioned about LinkedIn recommendations. I have had people try to pass off bogus references to me and you can just smell them a mile away.

So how are recommendations viewed?  They may be looked at at several times during the process.

They can be looked at when people are sourcing on LinkedIn.  Personally, I will read some and know pretty quickly whether or not the person really knows them.  It’s pretty easy to spot. 1 of those, “Hey endorse me and I will endorse you” references that were prevalent a while back.  I get those requests all the time from India and, in case you haven’t noticed, I’m not in India so I have no way of judging someone who is working there.  I don’t comply with those requests because, what am I going to say? She’s a really great person?  He’s a really good guy?  Those are really useless recommendations so why bother?  What good is it going to do?  Why would they believe me, in the US?  You can look at the recommendations and break them down to one’s work, whether someone really knows the person, whether what is said is very thin , or whether there is substance there

We ignore thin references.  The substantial ones provide a story in them about how you were the hero gets a higher weight in my mind.

Another way that they are look that is for quantity, as well as quality.  For example, I have hundreds of recommendations from people who had been kind enough to write about my work, whether as a headhunter, or now as a coach, videographer, podcast or and the like.  When you see hundreds of recommendations for someone verses 4, doesn’t that have a meaning for you? They look at it for quantity and, when they are pleasantly surprised by how many they find there, they will like that more.

How are LinkedIn recommendations look that? The same is references.

I mentioned that we would look at a couple of ways that they are look that. They are also look that when a company and its hiring manager are not sure.  Maybe they have done an interview and the just not sure about something , they will go back into the work recommendations and see if there is something that speaks to them to confirm the bias or opinion that they have.

Lastly, they may use them as a reference substitute. I don’t expect to have that happen very often.

Clearly, during the sourcing process, they are looking at the quality of your recommendations, as well as quantity.  During the process, to a lesser degree, they will look at them to confirm something or some opinion that they have about you and your work.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com changes that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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Switching to a Full Time Job | Job Search Radio

People who want to switch from being a consultant or contractor to a full-time position experience challenges they need to address. Here, I point out a few of them and how to handle them.

 

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If you’re a consultant or a long-term temp or a contractor and trying to switch to full time work on the staff of the firm, rather than going as a nomad from place to place, how do you approach that?  What kind of challenges do you face?

Let me speak with you about a few major ones. You may run into.

  1. Often your assignments are relatively short-term (3 months here, 6 months there) in your 1st contact may not be with the hiring manager.  You may apply to something through an applicant tracking system (by the way, never ever applied to a job through an applicant tracking system.  If you do, your resume will look like a job hopper to it).  The easiest way to address this is by having a category above all them, above all your consulting assignments that says, “Consultant” it has the aggregated dates off to the far right.  The word, “Consultant,” and the aggregated dates, should be in a larger font than the rest of the resume.  Let’s say you are consultant from May 2010 to present, what you are doing is letting them know that what they are seeing our consulting assignments or temp assignments, rather than you bouncing around from one full-time job to another.  The systems will pick up on that; the other dates will not be problematic because the system will pick up on the original dates as the system parses the resume.  So, again, aggregate all your consulting work into one category that says, “Consultant” so that you are not balanced out by systems or a busy HR person or hiring manager who resume resume and says to themselves, “This person has had a lot of jobs!”
  2. Often, you are hired as a consultant to a “doer.”  Rather than manage people who do things.  Let’s say you’re a $70 per hour person, that translates into about $140,000 per year.  By that time at an institution, they expect that you’ve managed people, done budgeting and handle different resources and, generally, that isn’t the kind of work that you doing.  You’re doing the kind of work that staff does.  like your two weeks’ vacation which, at $70 per hour,  You need to learn to be a little flexible about compensation.  After all, they will be paying the lion’s share of your benefits, you’re getting paid vacation, you are more likely to be offered $115,00 to $125,000.Firms are going to try to chop you down to a price range that fits the work you do.  You need to start looking at the value of benefits you will receive–that is $2700 per week in money you are paid for not working times 2 or $5400.Then there is the value for them paying for your benefits or part of your benefits) and sick time . . . suddenly those amounts add up in value at the rate of $2700 per week. They start looking at those numbers and you need to start recognizing the value of those numbers as well. Learn what your baseline is for compensation. If you decide it is $135000, that’ OK just be prepared for a longer job search or look for that company that pays more for talent.
  3. This is one that tends to only be done in person or at the time of the phone interview. I’m reminded of this because I have a friend who is moving from a role where he has been an executive chef for a number of year to something different but still in the food industry. The question invariably is asked, “Why would you want to do this?” That’s the big question that, even if they don’t ask, you have to answer. If they ask you, you need to drop your voice and slow your speech. Interviewing involves a certain amount of acting and this is an example of it. It isn’t just a “spelling bee,” (They ask you a question and you crank out the answer instantly) and show how smart you are. This is the emotional intelligence part of the interview. They want to know whether you are sure you want to be an employee and stop being a consultant or you can’t speak quickly or nervously. temp where you make “all that money” and come on to staff. “The fact is it’s tie for me to settle down. I’ve got family and responsibilities and I’ve decided that joining an organization where I can put down roots and become a contributor to a firm makes a lot more sense for me than being a contractor.” You have to look them in the eye as you say that; you can’t sound insincere. Don’t rush your speech; it doesn’t sound sincere.

Recognize the difference in your cadence, note your normal speaking voice, slow down and answer the question directly. Consultants change to fill time work all the time.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com is there to change that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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