How Do Recruiters Handle Salary Negotiation? | Job Search Radio

What do recruiters do or not do to advocate for you? How do they generally operate? I answer this and more on today’s podcast.

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Let me speak to you today about how recruiters handle salary negotiation.

If you think recruiters go through mortal combat to advocate for you, and demand that employers pay you what you are asking for, you are kidding yourself. Let me walk through the typical process that recruiters go through. This is true of both retained a contingency search terms.

The employer contacts the search for; they contact an agency; I’m going to give both perspectives. They identify a role to be filled in the compensation that might be paid. They suggest a salary range and what bonuses might be like, what the benefits are… A whole host of things.

If the search firm has a relationship with this particular client, do you really think that this recruiter is going to start yelling and screaming at someone from his firm to get the money that you are asking for or are they more concerned about preserving the relationship with the firm that writes the check to them?

Yes, you can argue the case that without you. They are not going to get that check. But, at the end of the day, there is always another “you.” Yes, there can always be another employer, but there is work to open up their relationship and create that relationship again so they tend to advocate for the people who write the check.

For Example

So, starting with the process of your resume being submitted, they have a sense of the range and I’m going to use simple numbers here. $60,000. $100,000. $250,000. Here are 3 different salaries

Let’s say, for a $60,000 person, let’s say the range is $55,000-$75,000. For the $100,000 person, is $95,000-$110,000. For the $250,000 person, is $240,000-$275,000.

They know these are the ranges for these positions. So they may indicate what your current salary is and the sense of what you are looking for, or may just tell them your current salary.

If you attempt to to simply tell them what you are looking for and not talk about what you are currently earning, often (like, always), a firm will turn around and ask, “What’s he earning now?” “What is she earning?

They do that because they refuse to give someone a prohibitively high raise.

Sales may be different. Sometimes, this will be called off. But for other types of positions, this is what happens. It is very very rare that a huge percentage increase will occur. Why? Because they are all operating under budget guidelines where HR is being reviewed and all their behaviors are being analyzed and when there is a percentage increase above a particular mean that is mandated by corporate HR, they turn around and ask, “What the hell was this all about?” It adversely affects them and how they are seen. So they operate within these guidelines basically say, “if a person makes $60,000, you offer them $66,000. That is a 10% raise. That is good enough.

Guidelines

If a person makes $100,000, you offer them $105,000 or $110,000. That is a 5% or 10% raise. That is good enough.”

If a person is making $250,000, or for them to earn $260,000 or $265,000. We don’t give 10% raises at that level. We give X percent increases.

See where I’m coming from?

That is the behavior that starts off. Thus, when the offer comes in, it might be low. Let me go back a step.

You are interviewing along the way and now, if you are out of work, you may be asked in the course of your interviews, “So, what’s going on for you in your search? Are you close to anything?” If you say you don’t have anything going on right now, you just hurt yourself. You have lost your leverage. They can issue an offer to you and say, “Take it or leave it. It’s your choice. We have other people that can do what you do. We’ll go find them and you are out of luck.

If you are working or are asked this question, you say, “I have some other options. Firms have expressed interest and I have final interviews with 3 other firms,” then they understand is competitive and they may push things up. If they ask which firms, you say, “I would prefer to keep their name out of it so that everyone is bargaining with the same degree of knowledge.”

“If I say to you, I’m interviewing at this firm or that firm or this firm, and I do the same thing with them, I think that is unfair. I want to see what your best offer is based upon your assessment of me, not based upon the competition.” But, what you are doing is creating competition because they don’t know what the target numbers.

If you tell them what the target number is it these other firms, that’s probably what they’re going to come in for anyway. No one tends to go much higher.

If there is a low offer that comes in, a search firm is going to advocate for you. They will spend some time talking with the client. The client will counteract that remark, generally with a comment that says, “Well, based upon a comparison with people who we already have working here with that amount of experience in this level of skill, we assess this person would be worth X number of dollars.

Most of the time when it really comes down to is that you didn’t do a good enough job you’re interviewing to demonstrate your value at the level that you are asking for. Thus, they are making a lukewarm offer based upon the opportunity that has been presented.

Your recruiter is not going to go into a death-match with the hiring firm in order to get you the position. They would rather go into that death-match with you, to manipulate you or persuade you to accept the offer at the level that is been offered.

Why is that? The job under is easier to change then the employer is and they know the relationship with the employer can continue afterwards, particularly if they got you to say yes to the low offer.

That’s the scenario that normally comes up.

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Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

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Negotiating for Introverts and Others: Negotiation Basics | Job Search Radio

Although introverts are particularly at risk in a negotiation, EVERYONE seems to think they are at a disadvantage. Here are the basics for entering a negotiation.

In the show, I mentioned that I would include a link to 1 of my videos called, “The Easiest Way to Negotiate Higher Salary for Yourself.” This is a link to the video.

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Today, I want to talk to introverts and others about entering into a negotiation.  For everyone, negotiation is oneof those uncomfortable processes., Where organizations clearly create the impression that they have an upper hand.  In fact, you have an equal handedness, too.  The hand that you have in this is the ability to say, “No.”  At the end of the day, that is incredibly powerful because it is the final position.  It’s your choice, too.So, I want you to remember that as you enter into a negotiation – – that you don’t have to be steamrolled.  You don’t have to be manipulated or abused.

How Does Negotiation Start?

Negotiation starts off with you and understanding what your true value is.  That’s the important starting place for every negotiation.  How do you determine that?  There are any number of surveys that exist they give you her range.  Frankly, most of those are irrelevant.

Frankly, I would go on to LinkedIn and reach out to someone who works for the firm in a role the kind of reads like yours will be and say, “Hey, look, I’m up for job at your firm.  This is what I do.  Your background looks pretty similar. Can I ask, when you joined, will be required for?”  You’d be surprised at how often people want to help.  You need to be able to obtain data to substantiate your case.  In the negotiation, if they try to come in lower than that number, you can say, “I started polling people in your organization and several were hired in a higher level than what you’re talking with me about.  At least meet that number.”

“It seemed like one person got such and such; another one God different number.  At least meet the average of  Y.

It has to be done in a polite way, but just present the numbers to them.  That’s the research part of this.  Knowing what this firm normally pays people, not the entire industry, because those numbers are skewered high and low.  Let me give you an example.  You start with Facebook (a former startup firm) in a technology role, in Silicon Valley, you start with the company that you have never heard of and look up the role for salary range for a role like yours, sometimes they are lower this for the startup, sometimes they are lowered with an equity position. You need to get concrete numbers.  So the starting place is with your research.

The Second Step

Next is preparing and practicing.  You need to be able to hit your points that you need to address in the course of the negotiation if they come in with a number that is “off.”

Practice is so important in this process and this is ideal if you practice with a practice payout.  This should be someone who can give you feedback on how it sounds listening to you.  You don’t have to look at them.  After all, if this is a phone negotiation. You are not going to be seeing them.  However, what you want to be doing is understanding how you are heard.  That’s the important thing. Now you are heard.  

If the negotiation will be by Skype, you want to see them because they are going to see you.  No matter how it is, you need to prepare and practice what you are going to say and how you are going to say it.

The Most Challenging Part

Lastly, and this may be the hardest of all, in the practice, in the preparation, I hope you overcome your fear of asking.

This is true of anyone. It is not just an “introvert problem.”  A lot of people are afraid to ask for what they deserve.  Part of that is lack of preparation.  Part of that is lack of research or some combination of both.  You need to be willing to ask the questions to insist upon what you want AND be prepared to walk away if you are not happy.

Before just spontaneously doing that, I want to encourage you to say something to the effect of, “I would like to think about our conversation before coming to a final decision.  I will be back to you tomorrow, but I just need a little bit of time to consider.

You may stick to the same decision that you make in the course of the conversation.  You may change your mind. You are entitled to do both.  However, I want to encourage you to take a little bit of time.

Now they may say, “So, what are your thoughts?”

Your answer should be, “I am not sure. I have trade-offs to evaluate and I have to weigh them.

In a case like that, I want you to consider that Paul was in there that doesn’t give them anything other than that you are reluctant to say yes.  Thus, when you come back to them the next day as you promised, I want you to have watched my video called, “The Easiest Way to Negotiate a Higher Salary for Yourself.”  In the video, I go through a method that is very very gentle and encourages them to increase the offer without making any threats.

The 1st part of the video is at the time that you get the offer. That may not be relevant here.  However, I want to encourage you to watch that video, pull out the parts that are relevant, practice, and I’m sure it will wind up being helpful.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you?

You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday. The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com is there to change that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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Advice from The Godfather” About Negotiating Salary | No BS Job Search Advice Radio

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter uses a memorable quote from “The Godfather” to offer advice about salary negotiation.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you?

You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com changes that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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A Cute Salary Negotiation Tip | No BS Job Search Advice Radio

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter discusses a cute tactic he uses when negotiating salary for someone.

 

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I want to talk with you today about a little salary negotiation tip that came to me a while back. I use it from time to time when working with clients when the candidate is about to get an offer and I am negotiating salary on behalf of the client.

I found an interesting thing.  Every once in a while, instead of using an expected round number that ends in zero or $5000 like $80,000 or $85,000, I pick a different kind of number.

I might say something like, $87,500 or $112,200.

Things that are a little irregular.

Why?

Because it is not a number that they are used to hearing so it gives them reason to think, instead of instantly responding with EA or née.  In those cases, it’s May because firms always try to push down the amount. It is very rare that someone increases the amount.

He gives them reason to hesitate. And, as a result, we get into an actual conversation, rather than knee-jerk reactions.

Try.

That you are asked what salary you are looking for, try saying something like $122,200.

“How did you come up with that number?”

“Well, I did some research on the web.  I took a look at the value for what I do and found that this was the mean for the range that you are looking.”

“What was the range?”

Of course you can come back and say, “$117,000-$125,000 per year.”

When all is said and done, making them hear an unusual number causes them to deal with you differently than everyone else..

Don’t fall into the predictable pattern.  Try doing something a little bit different.

When I’m asked to submit a consultant, I’m asked what rate I charge for the person.  I don’t say, for example, “$100 per hour.”  I will say $”$101.75 per hour for this person.”  He gives me a little room to negotiate, of course.  Again, it is a different kind of valuation then just say $100.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com changes that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

Connect with me on LinkedIn

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle for $.99 and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.”

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How Do I Get a Recruiter to Respond to A Salary Negotiation?

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There has been no response to emails or instant messaging. I don’t want to bother my boss. Why aren’t they getting back to me?

 

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I was asked, “How do I get a recruiter to respond to a salary negotiation?”

The person has been an intern and they have made an offer to them.  The recruiter for this firm hasn’t been responding to emails or instant messaging and the intern is frustrated.  They want to find out how they can reach this person for negotiating.

Here are a few points:

  1. As an intern who is converting to full-time staff, you are small fish on their plate.  I have other, more important fish to fry, too.  HR has a lot of things on their plate; they have hiring managers who are demanding service; they are interviewing; they are trying to fill positions; they are writing a heads… There are many things that HR is doing… You are not a big concern for them.
  2. This HR person may be out of the office.  They may be traveling. They may be doing campus recruiting, hence why they may not be responding to you.
  3. You are right not to trouble your boss.  This is not a major priority.  If the rule, they offered you a job  and you have already done parts of this job before.  They will probably be asking themselves, “What’s the big deal?  You knew what the price point was we brought you want for this internship?”
  4. They just don’t care.  There’s no point or concern that they have, because, after all, it’s not like you’re the only intern on the planet or qualified to do this job.  There are others. Their desire to negotiate is really small.

Let me summarize for you where you stand.

On the one side there is a rock. On the other side, there is a hard place.  You are somewhere between the two.

If your goal is to just make the connection and they are not respond, send an email to HR with the subject line, “Are you okay?”  The message may read something along the lines of, “I have emailed and I am do you and had not received a response.  I have a few questions about the job offer.  Would you give me a call, please?  I just want to make sure you are okay?  My experience of you is that you would normally get back to me but since I haven’t heard, I just want to make sure that you are all right.”

That will usually “guilt them” into surfacing.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com changes that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

Connect with me on LinkedIn

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle for $.99 and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.”

Why Don’t Companies Include Salary Information When You Apply – Job Search Radio

Someone who subscribes to JobSearchCoachingHQ.com asked this question and I thought I would share my answer with everyone. There are quite a few reasons why companies don’t share that information. On today’s show, I offer the major reasons they don’t.

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Why don’t companies list salary in job listings? I enjoy this question and when you stop and think about it. It all makes perfect sense.

Reason number one is, if they’re willing to pay more for someone then they are paying someone on staff, they tick people off, those folks start heading for the doors. That, to me, is the biggest reason why it happens.

Yes there is the negotiation reason. If you put a salary range of $100K to $120K on a job listing, then no one sees 100. They just seen 120 and if an offer is extended… well, people wonder why they didn’t get the 120; they just forgot about the $100K and all the other numbers up to the 120K. That’s because they just began fixated on the 120 number and they get angry and will turned down offers.

It also gives firms the opportunity to negotiate. After all, if you don’t know what the max number is, you don’t know when you are pushing up against it. If you don’t have the information about salary, knowledge is power. They know what they can afford to pay and if they can get you for $10,000 less they are real happy about that.

So I’ll simply if say that, as one last thing, that when you look at most ads, they’ll list a range of experiences. So let’s say it says 5 to 10 years of experience that pays 100 to 120. Most people just look at the 5 to 10 years and they’re going for the most money and they forget that a five-year person is only paid less than a 10 year person. So firms are trying to avoid a variety of headaches.

On the other hand, third-party recruiters often include salary. Why? Because they don’t want to waste time with people who are looking for more money than the client is willing to pay. They are more skillful in negating some of the arguments that come up when people say “it’s a salary of $100K – 120, I just want to make sure that you hear this 100 up to 120. So you could be making hundred; you could be making 105 depending on how they assessing you. The easiest possible scenarios it is if you do poorly. Then they offer you zero, but that’s the were going for. And I educating people in this way, most recruiters are able to negate some of the arguments that come up about why the person has been off at the highest amount of money.

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Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com is there to change that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

Connect with me on LinkedIn

You can order a copy of “Diagnosing Your Job Search Problems” for Kindle for $.99 and receive free Kindle versions of “No BS Resume Advice” and “Interview Preparation.”

How to Establish a “Drop Dead Price” When You Negotiate Salary

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter encourages you to establish a drop dead price for your salary negotiations and shows you a technique  for figuring it out.

Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com is there to change that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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Another Salary Negotiation Tactic

 

There are easy ways and hard ways to negotiate . . . and ones in the middle. This one is a mid-to easy way.

Do you think employers are trying to help you? You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com is there to change that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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Job Search Radio – The Experiment!

Experiments

Since launching Job Search Radio several years ago, my shows have consisted of interviewing another expert about how to be more effective in your job search.

On this show, I am trying an experiment– using advice I have created for JobSearchCoachingHQ.com and sharing some of it on Job Search Radio.

I cover several things:

  • The Easiest Way to Negotiate a Higher Salary for Yourself
  • Tell Me About Yourself (The Advanced Answer)
  • The Single Best Question You Should Ask on Any Interview
  • Functional vs. Chronological Resumes
  • Using The Myth of the Passive Job Applicant to Your Advantage.

 

 

These are a few pieces of advice I offer at JobSearchCoachingHQ.com, my new site for job hunters with loads of great advice and the ability to ask me questions about your job search so that you don’t make deadly mistakes that cost you opportunities.

You’ve been listening to me for a while. Come join  and let me help you.

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Negotiating A Renewal Rate Increase (Video)

 

Your contract or temp assignment is ccoming up for renewal and you want to earn more. Here, I explain your how to play your hand . . . but you have to be prepared to not play “nice.”

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