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I’m Interviewing at a Company Where Someone I Didn’t Get Along With Works (VIDEO)


How do I handle this?

Summary

I received the question from someone that I thought was very useful. It describes a situation where a person (I'm not going to identify gender) was interviewing with the firm and had already met the president, but then discovered that someone that they fought with regularly, was employed at the firm in a senior sales role. And they handle it?

I'm sorry that this has occurred. Disagreements, sometimes political, sometimes in the course of selling, people butt heads with one another. That is sufficiently difficult for you indicates how vehement the differences were. Let me divide the scenarios into 2. One is big company environment. A few thousand people. This is a lead salesperson. I don't know the role that you're interviewing for. But, given that your writing, I will assume that is also a sales role, perhaps where you might even interact with this person regularly.

At a major corporation, I might let things roll. I might not really address the issue head-on. Again, I'm operating with a limited amount of information so I don't know whether this actually will be someone that you interact with daily or not. If you would interact with them daily. My advice might be more like the next piece of advice I would give. If this is with a big company, I might not call this person because (let me just pick the name of the bank and use it as an example). You are interviewing at Capital One-- there are tens of thousands of people who work for it. What is the likelihood that the president of this firm is going to contact the salesperson in that organization for permission to hire you? Pretty damn small.

So, in the monster firms I wouldn't bother unless you know for fact that this person would be interacting with you. If that were the case, the advice I would give would be also represents smaller companies. In smaller companies and in large firms where you would interact with the person, I would call this person up immediately.

"Hi! I just met with so-and-so. I know we had our differences for years. The fact is I am a different person than I was then. I've learned some things. I'm sure you are different person than you were then. I just wanted you to know that I'm interviewing with your company. I hope you can see that I am different that I was then."

This person may stand in your way. This person may say, "Yeah. It was a tough time then..." Whatever it is, they may say something more appealing in conciliatory, Just as you have said to them. I just believe it's better off to confront his head on with the person that you have the issue with. That's because if you believe they are going to be contacted, then you might as well get it done with so that in this way, if it is going to happen (or as a former colleague of mine once said, "You either blow it in or you blow it out."), It's either going to happen or it isn't. There is no gray here. This persons other than standing your way or they aren't.

If they aren't, great! If they are, get it done with by saying to this person, "I'm a different person than I was then; I hope you can put the past behind us. My goal is not to be rude. I just want to make a living. I hope you can put the past behind you." Then, let it go. That's because obviously there's enough history there that your concern, which suggests that there was a serious problem.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves life coaching, as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio,” “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice.”

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Sabotaging Your Job Search: Lukewarm References | Job Search Radio

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter discusses another way that people sabotage the Job Search – – mediocre references. He also offers a way to get around a mediocre reference at a particular employer.

Summary

I worked in recruiting for a long time and I've seen it time and time again. Job hunters sabotaging their search by just making stupid mistakes. I'm continuing on with the series on sabotaging your search and talking with you about some of the ways the people do it.

Here is one that I can't believe happens but it happens all the time -- giving it references the don't just sing your praises, they may not be completely lukewarm but they come across as being disinterested and ambivalent.

When you are giving a reference, this is your opportunity to get across the finish line. Firms are going to decide whether or not to give you that great job offer, they have been thinking about or continue on looking. On occasion, they will make a lukewarm offer and just move on with it. Often, the neutrality of the reference causes them to pause. If the role, this is completely in your control. You are giving out the references. You can choose any 1 of the world to give them some reference you give them this person who gives you a halfhearted disinterested reference.. That is your fault.

Before you give out references, even at the beginning of your job search, as you're trying to get leads from places to go to, as you are trying to get out and about, start talking with the people who you are considering is a reference.. Just simply say, "I would love to give you is a reference. Would you feel comfortable with doing that I would you sing my praises to the rafters and let people know how wonderful it was?"

If you were a mediocre employee, you have to find those people who will support you because those people who will claim that they are only allowed to give out name, rank and serial number, type of references (your dates of employment and whether you are eligible for rehire), those are useless references. It is better to go to a former employer or to someone who is already left the organization who is not handcuffed by the policy (or I have to say, "alleged policy" because everyone finds a way around that if they care). Find someone who used to work with that that employer who will say wonderful things about you.

Again, don't give out lukewarm references. Find exceptional people who give an is will and will later so exceptional reference..

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves life coaching, as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio,” “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” and his newest show, “No BS Coaching Advice.”

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Do Employers Really Check References? (VIDEO)


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I received the question from someone more junior than I normally do 1:1 coaching with that I want to speak to. The question is, “Do employers really check references?” References take a variety of different forms.

Yes, a lot of employers call up your former employer to check a reference. If they go the HR route, ofte what they will try to do is try to verify dates and salary. Behind the scenes, someone may be calling former manager to talk with them about your work.

Why do they do this? It’s really simple. This may be a shock to you but people lie. You may be a liar.

I know when I worked in recruiting, there were any number of circumstances where people had lied on applications for jobs that I had referred them to. They went to work; they were fired within a week when the truth came out.

I remember two awful situations where I warned someone before hand that a firm would do a copious background check. The person held to their lie and wound up being fired at the end of the 1st week. I will tell you some firms don’t; most firms do. They don’t want to be found in a situation where they’ve hired someone who is a liar, has lied about the credentials, you lied about the dates of employment . . . is just a problem
individual and is trying to cover it up.

There are signals that people send out that they could be, shall we say, “exaggerating the truth.” One signal is there is no managerial reference that is offered. Instead, it’s a peer level reference at the most recent employer or maybe one employer back.

Often they’ll only check the reference of the current employer after you’ve gone. So just recognize that it’s not just simply the most recent job; it can be a few jobs back so when you’re only offering peer level references, there’s a signal there.

Yes, employers really check references. They do it if they’re smart because there’s a lot that’s revealed through what is said and what isn’t said in the course of the reference that they can explore by sharp questioning that will help them determine whether or not you were a problem person at your previous pos and whether you have been lying to them.

How Do I Get a New Job When My Manager is Giving Bad Reference? (VIDEO)


A job hunter who is learning that references matter asks what s/he can do When his manager is getting a bad reference.

Summary

The question for today is, "How do I get a new job. When my manager is giving up that references about me?"

Before I answer the question, I want you to learn a lesson- -Don't put yourself in that position. You discovered how difficult it is to find work when the best person to evaluate you is not in your corner.  They are not your ally.

Whether the issue is around bad behavior in the office, whether the issue is around poor performance or excessive lateness is, this all comes back to bite you in the butt.  This person is not an ally or willing to lie for you, they are not going to stick to a story.  You are going to need to find someone else to do it for you.  Maybe a former coworker will (the key word in that is former); maybe a former manager -- someone who predates your current manager who can attest to your work.

Let's assume that you were fired for poor performance.  Why would your firm give out a good reference?  After all, they fired you because you did a bad job. Understand that firms will comply with one another about confirming dates of employment.  They're not going to lie about things related to your work with them.

You can go to HR (and I think this would be the smart move) and ask whether the firm has a policy against providing references because, frankly, "Mine will be poor and I don't want to be in a position where I have to sue because the impact of the reference your firm provides is going to keep me from finding work. I don't believe I should be punished for the rest of my life for mistakes I made. I'm sure you don't want to deal with litigation. What I would like to have everyone cautioned about is that it is not company policy to give references out we can confirm dates of employment."  That can get you off the hook.

You still need to get people who will talk about you and say that they are a former colleague, former manager… Stuff along those lines… And talk positively about you.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves life coaching, as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio” and “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” both available through iTunes and Stitcher.

Are you interested in 1:1 coaching from me?  Email me at JeffAltman@TheBigGameHunter.us and put the word, “Coaching” in the subject line.

Do you have a quick question you would like me to answer? Pay $50 via PayPal to TheBigGameHunter@gmail.com  

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Fired? They Can Find Out. (VIDEO)


Can an employer find out I was fired, not laid off?

Summary

People are invariably worried that they are fired from a job, not laid off, but fired from a job, the next employer is going to find out.

That's true. They can find out.

What happens is that if you sign the form at the time of your application that allows company to check reference or, at the time that you accept their offer if you sign something that allows them to do a background check that includes a reference with a former employer, generally, large firms will release that information. They may say they have a policy against it, but usually in some way, you are at risk of it coming out.

I want to be clear that so far have been talking about large firms. If a small firm is hiring you, the likelihood is that you can provide the references for them to check. It's not like you're going to give the boss as a reference who fired you for incompetence, or you? You can pick up here or someone who is a peer will say they are manager or a legal or whatever to support your candidacy.

Large firms are generally not going to put up with that. They're going to want the okay to contact your former employer. Your only hope there is if your former employer has a policy that says, "We don't release any information."

I recently had something where was coaching someone who is looking for position, having been fired by former boss who, the way he tells the story, just didn't like him or give him a chance. after years of service with the firm, had done a fine job for the company, but they just had out for him. What the truth is, I do not know. At the time he was fired, he was told that they would not say anything adverse about his candidacy. There was a point where he found out that this manager had.

I told him to call up the head of HR and say something to them very simple. The simple statement. I told him to tell them was, "It is come to my attention that your firm has violated an agreement that you made with me. The agreement was not to provide an adverse reference. I know that this is happened. I want to be clear. If it happens again, I will take strong and enforceable action. I'm sure you will not want to have this happen again and will insist that your staff abide by the agreement."

I have another situation where a senior professional was facing an adverse reference. The senior management of his firm promised a good reference. He was coming up and the executive search firm was going to call to do a reference check about his work prior to him meeting with their client. I suggested the call the president of the firm and say, "Hi! I'm just checking in with you to let you know that you will probably be getting a call from someone representing a position that I am up for. I would really appreciate it if you capture agreement and provided a great reference." Which they did.

The point of the stories that I have been telling is that if you have been fired, the goal is to get an agreement out the door that says 1 of the few things.
1. They will provide a great reference and talk about how economic circumstances dictated the dismissal.
2. They state that is an institution, they do not provide references on anyone and they act that way if someone checks a reference.

The latest theory were background checking can become questionable is what dates of employment. What I always tell people is that if you're not sure the date, next to the date on the application, you put the expression, "approx" for "approximately." This signals that you're not absolutely sure of the date.

If you are lying about your dates, that's something that if they check your background, they will find pretty quickly especially if you trying to cover up 6 months here or a year there . . That's really next to impossible to get away with.. I will simply say that you are better off just being forthcoming, rather than shooting yourself in the foot if you worked for so long to get this position.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves life coaching, as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio” and “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” both available through iTunes and Stitcher.

Are you interested in executive job search coaching, leadership coaching or life coaching from me?  Email me at JeffAltman@TheBigGameHunter.us and put the word, “Coaching” in the subject line.

Do you have a question you would like me to answer? Pay $25 via PayPal to TheBigGameHunter@gmail.com  

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

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How Can I Tell a Recruiter “No” When They Ask for References? (VIDEO)


Here answer the question from someone who is asked for references by recruiter during the 1st interview and doesn’t want to provide them.

Summary

I was asked the question I thought was great, "A recruiter has asked me for references at the time of the 1st interview. I don't really want to give it to them. How can I say no to a recruiter if they asked me for references during an interview?"

I want to start off by differentiating and start by answering the question about a contingency recruiters. That's definitely a place to say no. They may tell you that they want to check references on behalf of their clients. That's a great line. But what they are really doing is trying to use your contacts to recruit other people. I know this because I listen to sales trainers for years talk about this is a great gambit to get talent and you don't want to be complicit.

The easiest way to respond is to smile and say, "In due time but not right now."

If you respond by saying, "We need to have it because the client wants us to check references at the time that we submit a cabinet," (I want to be clear, not talking about retained search firm's or C suite professionals) I am answering in this way for the Average Jane or Joe who is approached by a recruiter and is being told that the client wants it.

"Great! I'll be happy to provide my references to the client."

"They want us to check the references."

"Not at this time."

"Then we can submit you."

"OK."

Leave it at that. You know why? It's because if they can get you in the door they'll get you in the door.

And they can't. What they're trying to do is parlay one contact into 2 or 3 were they call them up and trying to recruit them, extensively under the guise of checking a reference.

So, they might say, "We need a former manager, it was start by contacting your manager in doing a reference check and then flip it in an effort to get recruiting business from them.

Or they may try to talk to a peer reviewers and then say, "Say! This is a position I am trying to recruit for. Is this something that might interest you? There are a lot of little gambits that go on with third-party recruiters.

I know there are a lot of people who might respond by saying, "Would you do that with a company?"

"NO!" Unfortunately, too many third-party recruiters or sleazy. We know this already. The idea is to push them off because you don't know if you can trust them yet (wink wink. Probably you can trust many of them anyway. There are exceptions, but most of them you probably can't.) And it's kind of like being on a 1st date with someone.

"Can I get a reference from your former husband or wife, please. I would like to get a reference from them. Maybe someone else you went out with previously because I want to know what you are liked by talking to them."

No, not on a 1st date, especially with an absolute stranger. Obviously, you would never do that in a dating situation! Here, I want you to do this very casually and with a big smile on your face, say, "In due time , we'll get that."

"But the client wants it!"

"If you can't present me with out that, obviously you don't think I am a fit. So let's leave it at that and just move on."

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is a coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years. His work involves life coaching, as well as executive job search coaching and business life coaching. He is the host of “Job Search Radio” and “No BS Job Search Advice Radio,” both available through iTunes and Stitcher.

Are you interested in executive job search coaching, leadership coaching or life coaching from me?  Email me at JeffAltman@TheBigGameHunter.us and put the word, “Coaching” in the subject line.

Do you have a question you would like me to answer? Pay $25 via PayPal to TheBigGameHunter@gmail.com  

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com offers great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.  

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The New Background Check | Job Search Radio

 

EP 306 Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter discusses the new way firms check you out.

Summary

You know it, you've read it, you've heard it many times.

The warning I'm giving you is to watch your social media presence. I had someone last week who is going on 1/3 interview. The client called me up and said, "Were going to cancel the interview."

"What happened?"

They had done on Twitter and saw something stupid he wrote there. If for one thing, they would've let it slide.. But they saw whole bunch of stuff they gave them cause for pause.

I'm reminding you that a lot of people have gotten warned about Facebook. LinkedIn is pristine for most people. Twitter is a place where people get sloppy sometimes.

Don't say stupid stuff. It comes back and haunts people. It's like the new reference check is going to twitter or going to Facebook and see what you have written there.

This guy lost an opportunity he really wanted and I have to explain to him. I'm going to tell him to purge his twitter feed.

When all is said and done, you can't do stupid stuff because there's an audit trail for you in everything that you do these days that you create. You don't want to put yourself in that position were something you wrote comes back and haunt you.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter is an executive job search and business life coach who worked as a recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.  

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com has great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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What Do I Do If I Have Lost Contact With Past Employers and References? (VIDEO)


The original question (which I share) was actually the wrong question. Here answer the right question and try to help someone take action.

Summary

The original question I received is, "If you've lost touch with employers and past references, is there still hope for you as a job seeker?"

As you can see, I changed the question to, "What do I do if I lost contact with past employers and references?"

However, what is most revealing is the actual question.

"All is lost."

"I am doomed."

Stop it. Seriously, stop it. You've got a brain. Pause for a second and say, "if I were to try and find my best friend who I haven't spoken with in 5 years, what what I do?" The answer is you would look for them on Facebook. You would look for them on LinkedIn. You will go online. Why is this any different?

The fact of the matter is that it isn't any different. In order to reestablish contact with people that you haven't been in contact with for a while, you start by asking yourself, "Where did they tell me they lived, again?" Then you would do a Google search.

"Where did we work together?" Then he went to a LinkedIn search and look for them by name and "Current or Past Employers," and obviously this would be a past employer. You can always do a Facebook search and see if you can connect with them and then drop them a quick note and say, "I'm so sorry that I have been out of the loop for a while. I wanted to reach back out to you. Do you have a few minutes to speak? How can I get a hold of you?"

Just make the contact!. You may feel uncomfortable doing it. Get over it! They are human being who may need you at some point, right?

Be flexible. Be friendly. Acknowledge that you would like to do it differently in the future. Reach out to them using online tools. You will find them. It's not that hard.

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How Do I Get a New Job When My Manager is Giving Bad Reference? (VIDEO)

A job hunter who is learning  that references matter asks what s/he can do When his manager is getting a bad reference.

bad-reference

 

Summary

The question for today is, "How do I get a new job. When my manager is giving up that references about me?"

Before I answer the question, I want you to learn a lesson- -Don't put yourself in that position. You discovered how difficult it is to find work when the best person to evaluate you is not in your corner.  They are not your ally.

Whether the issue is around bad behavior in the office, whether the issue is around poor performance or excessive lateness is, this all comes back to bite you in the butt.  This person is not an ally or willing to lie for you, they are not going to stick to a story.  You are going to need to find someone else to do it for you.  Maybe a former coworker will (the key word in that is former); maybe a former manager -- someone who predates your current manager who can attest to your work.

Let's assume that you were fired for poor performance.  Why would your firm give out a good reference?  After all, they fired you because you did a bad job. Understand that firms will comply with one another about confirming dates of employment.  They're not going to lie about things related to your work with them.

You can go to HR (and I think this would be the smart move) and ask whether the firm has a policy against providing references because, frankly, "Mine will be poor and I don't want to be in a position where I have to sue because the impact of the reference your firm provides is going to keep me from finding work. I don't believe I should be punished for the rest of my life for mistakes I made. I'm sure you don't want to deal with litigation. What I would like to have everyone cautioned about is that it is not company policy to give references out we can confirm dates of employment."  That can get you off the hook.

You still need to get people who will talk about you and say that they are a former colleague, former manager… Stuff along those lines… And talk positively about you.

 

Do you think employers are trying to help you?

You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

The skills needed to find a job are different yet complement the skills needed to do a job.

Jeff Altman, The Big Game Hunter has been a career coach and recruiter for what seems like one hundred years.

JobSearchCoachingHQ.com changes that with great advice for job hunters—videos, my books and guides to job hunting, podcasts, articles, PLUS a community for you to ask questions of PLUS the ability to ask me questions where I function as your ally with no conflict of interest answering your questions.

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Checking References That Were Not Provided


Is it normal and ethical for a potential employer to contact my ex-coworkers to ask about my work even though they are not the references that I had provided?

 

Summary

This is a question I received about checking references that were not provided.

Is it normal and ethical for an employer to check the reference with my ex-coworkers, even though they are not the references I provided?

Understand, most employers know that the reference you gave them is “canned.”  If you give them a bad one, you are a moron.  They or assuming you are not a moron so they want to get something real.  So who should they call?  They might call someone they already know who works in the organization to check your reference.

For example, there was this 1 consulting firm that I did work with for years.  They did business development and consulting work with organizations worldwide for many years.  If this was affirmed. There was no longer client and they were interviewing someone from this firm, they might contact someone that they already knew and ask if they knew the person and what they thought.

If they heard something critical or something. He gave them, “cause for pause,” they might dig a little deeper before hiring the person. If they heard something positive, that was the reference and they brought someone on board. This was someone that they knew and trusted.

If they are doing what is nicknamed, “secondary sourcing (asking your reference. If there is someone else that they know who can attest or comment about your work),” that is considered smart because speaking to your primary reference is never going to go anywhere beyond a prepared answer from the reference and will get something unrehearsed from the secondary individual that is much closer to the truth.

I can debate the use of the term, “ethical.”  Who decides ethics?  What is unethical about what they are doing?

But I didn’t give the reference to them?

I am not aware of any ethics organization that will consider that a violation.

Is it normal?  No!  Employers, like people, are lazy.  They often take the path of least resistance.

Is it smart?  You bet it is!  What they are able to do is find out more of the truth that you will ever give them, then the references will never give them, so there are no surprises.

These people can also be a tiebreaker when there are references that might be lukewarm.

I also want to remind you that if an adverse reference result in you not being hired, you are entitled to, a copy of a receive a report under the Fair Credit Reporting Act of the references so that you can respond to the allegations or statements that were made. That will be sent to the employer.

 

Do you think employers are trying to help you?

You already know you can’t trust recruiters—they tell you as much as they think you need to know to take the job they after representing so they collect their payday.

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